E-4 with over 4 years is around $2400, plus BAH (assuming you get married) for Pendleton is around another $2400, which works out to be in the ballpark of $57,000. It looks pretty appealing. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the newtothenavy community. Note: The following military pay scale is applicable to O-1 to O-3 with at least 4 years and 1 day of active duty or more than 1,460 points as a warrant and/or enlisted member. (sorry, no DC to suck the political dick for when your contract is up) Your BAH is $2841.00/month or $34,092/year! For a complete pay table please click here. No one gets rich in the military, officer or enlisted. Army Officers begin on a competitive starting salary of £31,000 after training, pension with contributions, subsidised accommodation with free meals, and free medical/dental cover.They Whoo! This may be a no brainer, but it needs to be said anyway.A second lieutenant (O-1) that just commissioned in the Army will get paid almost double the … I can make 70k on the outside doing what I do now with no degree. (Doctor). As far as 10k-20k in student debt....that amount is nothing. Cookies help us deliver our Services. And no matter what on the 1st and 15th you get paid the same amount, so there's no need to worry about making up hours or whatever. I am going to write this from the outside looking in. Your salary will increase as you climb in rank and years of experience. Press J to jump to the feed. You get paid better! To determine your pay rate, first choose your paygrade (from W-1 to W-5) and then find the row that corresponds with your number of years' experience in the Army. Image: army.mil. End Result It comes out about even, really. TL;DR: Do the research on the position you want and the pay it will have at different steps compared to your own Civilian Comparison. He's a no-nonsense kind of guy, but completely personal even if you're the lowest of the joes, and he's always asking how you're doing and how such and such is going (like if you're going through G2G or some Army school). Basic Pay for a Soldier depends on length of service as well as rank (most enlisted Soldiers enter the Army as … MC makes less, so that's bad - right? I was enlisted for 23 years. The only difference is when overseas, civilian pay will be considerably higher. School is expensive, man. That's 15k up front and then 208 dollars for 72 months after that. The 2020 drill pay tables reflect a 3.1% raise. Find out more about active duty pay. Plus you get 30 days of vacation every year and a shit ton of holidays. Cyber branch is a maneuver branch with the mission to conduct defensive and offensive cyberspace operations (DCO and OCO). This pay table is used to determine the monthly basic pay for warrant officers in the Army. Thanks Uncle Sam! Source. Here are 7 high paying military jobs that pay big bucks in the civilian world. An Army officer can receive a hardship duty pay when deployed to certain locations around the world. My son is a National Guard Captain. That's why, as an E-3 in the barracks my PSMC was $50k. Pay charts can be found here. That fuckboi who got a B- in Torts is still making more than you, though.... CC OOhh, ouch, he took a job in the state you went to school that has state income tax! Plus, his work week is going to be geared towards the 40-50hr range (mostly). Pay For Army Reserve Soldiers. If you take into consideration the amount you would have to save/invest every year in order to generate a 20 year O-5 retirement, ($60,000-100,000 depending on how you calculate it), you're looking at an equivalent of $230,000-270,000 a year. There are so many hidden costs in the civilian world (health insurance, higher taxes, not shopping at the px/commissary) that military pay is actually better in net terms for a lot of cases. One of the most difficult Army officer jobs is in the special forces realm. Please forget everything you just said. U.S. Army Career Corner: An interview with Paul Maness, Army Reserve officer. Pay in the military is what you make of it. If it was such a good optio... don't you think more people would do it? Well you've got to assume once they make mid rank they'll be staying until retirement. Pros. Yes, after taxes, rent, utilities, gas money, work clothes, food, health insurance, dental, vision, etc. The average of recent medians is slightly higher, but that also includes pre-recession numbers. Sweet! Army National Guard officers and enlisted Soldiers are eligible for Drill Pay as they serve their weekend and other training duties. If placed on active duty you are eligible for the same Basic Pay as your active duty counterparts. Veterinary Corps Officer (64) As an Army veterinary officer, you can practice in three primary areas: animal medicine, veterinary public health, and research and development. Pay rates for officers of the Regular Force and Reservists on Class C service are listed below by rank, within each occupation groups. However, I would give the military a minor nod in this situation with regards to pay, and likely regarding work-life balance (at least in my opinion)--which many find to be an "invaluable" part of their employment. For most people, we use the military as a stepping stone for better opportunities outside of the military. Further, understand certain benefits your position may give you once you transition into the civilian world (such as more hands on experience--like actual trial work and snagging a security clearance in the above example). Basic Pay is electronically distributed on the 1st and 15th of every month, similar to many civilian jobs. See the Basic Pay fact sheet for the details. Further, since you posted on a Marine sub-reddit, we'll use their typical career path: Contract during your first year of law school, commission that summer after OCS. Army Pay scales from Armed Forces, British Army Pay Review 2019 - armedforces.co.uk Absolutely. Let's factor in pay beyond your basic pay: CONGRATS! If I count all the ammo I've shot then I made six figures as a grunt. Below is a listing of the Branches and F… There’s no leadership experience required. Yay! The Department of Defense states that hardship duty pay is based on mission and location assignment rates, or a combination of the two. I make more money on the outside than I ever would in the navy. Some of them are less obvious than the others. Do some research at sites like glassdoor.com if you're unsure. They are the ones who lead teams in various missions from counter-terrorism to special reconnaissance. Fuck! That's like a used car loan. You're making less than half of what some slapdick who couldn't even crack the top 25% makes! It’s your life! You’ll pick up the fundamentals of being a leader: mentorship, influence, problem solving, decision making, and much more. Since this is a vague question, I will provide you with a bit of answer. The military is unique in that a Cook or Clerk can make as much as a Engineer. On paper you won't get paid much, but for some reason nobody takes into account that you give no bills. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Only a fraction of a percent of Americans can pay off only their phone bill every month and fuck off with the other $1500. How does your average motivator discover, verify, and set his (or her) state of legal residence such that he (or she) is able to make the most of said tax advantages? You can also use our Army Pay Calculator to calculate pay and allowances. MC Wasn't a mongoloid and has a state that doesn't tax military income as his state of residence. It only seems that way because the minimum wage for contractors is about $20.40/hr. Some regional differences are there, but usually contractors are not raking in that much over you when you consider all the expenses they have to pay out of pocket (as stated, healthcare, disability insurance, taxes, etc). Thanks, Uncle Sam. All around great guy that I'd love to see make General. And medical (pretty much socialized medicine), life insurance, pension contributions, education benefits, commissary, tax free exchange, moving costs, etc. Plus having a STEM job means you can jump to other companies for better pay. Pay grades are used by the eight uniformed services of the United States (in order of precedence per US law: Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Space Force, Coast Guard, Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, and NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps) to determine wages and benefits based on the corresponding military rank of a member of the services. Serving in the military is something not everyone is capable of. Am I missing something here or does the military pay extraordinarily well and even better than the civilian world? Army National Guard Entry Level As a Cyber Operations Officer, you’ll conduct integrated and synchronized defensive and offensive cyberspace … I mean im just a kid but to me military pay looks really solid especially considering how hard it is for college grads to get jobs right now in certain fields. No one is that competitive to 18 year olds with no college or real work experience. That's another $3,043.56/year. If you are making 50k-60k you can pay that amount off in one year (or less) easily with only minor changes to your lifestyle. It's not only the pay, but the tax-free BAH and Tricare (especially if you have a family and double-especially if they have major allergies or illnesses). civilians have little disposable income. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. There are many aspects to being an officer, both good and bad. FUCK! As a civilian contractor, I just cannot agree with that last statement. The best officer I've seen so far is a COL I work with occasionally. Good on him, now he's only paying his federal rate. Yeah, there are two horror stories I've heard about that. As a submarine officer with 10-11ish years in, my total compensation is around $155,000 before taxes. An early career Army Officer with 1-4 years of experience earns an average total compensation (includes tips, bonus, and overtime pay) of £39,494 based on 5 salaries. MC's kids ride free on that sweet Tricare train. Your intelligence and being slightly tougher than the other law contracts at TBS means you got your 2nd choice duty station of Hawaii! Beer money! Press J to jump to the feed. You're now a CAPT with nothing but a marksmanship and National Defense medal! As an Army Officer, you’ll take the lead of a team of soldiers. I know quite a few people that got out of the military around the 8 year mark and are drawing decent paychecks. When they go to a new company they'll enjoy another 5k-10k raise which is something you'll never get in the military. Feel free to comment with more specifics. What's the Pay Like? All pay is publicly available and based on rank. Sweet! amount which government employees receive depending on the category Army Special Forces Officer at Fort Bragg, NC. Army National Guard Entry Level As a Psychological Operations Officer, you’ll be a master of persuasion and influence, and an expert in political trends, cultural trends, and attitudes of the people in your given area of operation. Fucking double taxed! Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook Basic Pay is the base salary for a Soldier on active duty and counts for part of total military income. 2. The pay is decent. Remember, clear post titles get clear answers. I've done research on jobs in the civilian sector with my work experience and nothing comes close with pay. This sucks. But DAMNIT! In general you won't get paid a lot. If you really want to make money in the service then go the officer route or sign up for a special program that pays if you pass the course. You don't need a degree to do what I do. Benefit Highlights. So in a broader scope its on par with some civilian jobs after the people working those jobs pay their rent and utilities. Well, except MC qualifies for Public Service Loan Forgiveness after 10 years of minimum payments, and part of his re-contracting incentive involves money for repayment of outstanding loans. Cyber is the only branch designed to directly engage threats within the cyberspace domain. From free health insurance to half your income being tax-exempt (if receiving BAS/BAH) the benefits are immediately obvious - all of your pay is essentially disposable income. With tax benefits, health care, various commercial savings, you're looking at probably around $170,000. -Coordination of chemical soldiers at every level from platoon to company, battalion and higher, in both multinational and United States Army operations. Even the civilian contractors that perform the same job alongside military people will usually be paid 2x or 3x as much as the military counterpart. Hopefully most stay the 10 years required im commission to retire on officer pay. A retired officer who served in the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force celebrated his 100th birthday today. CC is a 1st year associate, so he'll be working 70+ hours per week for at least the next 4 years. All military branches pay the same for e1, o1 etc. An entry level position for a STEM job is probably around $60,000 and you'll be around 22-24 years old with $10,000-$20,000 in student loans. CC - has just landed a gig promising the promised median pay of $110,000! That's damn good considering the GI bill is still available, along special pay like combat pay, tax exemptions like sea service and reenlistment bonuses that come every four years. Lets say you sign up for six years and get 30k. The armed forces are well known for their wide-ranging benefits. Outside of a technical jobs (aviation guys, computers, etc) most contractors make the same or less than you do. You have to be married to get that much. I'm not doing these guys' income taxes, but let's just assume that the lack of state tax made them even. Think about that and the repercussions it has. Run a search first, and then post your question. Source. CC has to pay $170 a month for health coverage at his firm. Army Reserve Soldiers earn regular paychecks for monthly unit training and annual field training exercises. If you want to join, fine, but lower your expectations for pay by a few magnitudes so you won't be disappointed. But I have served with a lot awesome officers and some bad ones. Fuck! Military pay isn't designed to be competitive it's just designed to pay you enough to feel like a normal person. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Army officers range from paygrades O-1, Second Lieutenant, to O-10, General of the Army. You’ll receive world-class training to reach your full leadership potential at the Royal Military College. Do your homework! That leaves plenty of time to shove his disposable income into strippers' G-strings. You will be responsible for treating government-owned animals and the valued pets of … You're assuming best case scenarios, which almost never happen. At least he won't have time to spend his paycheck, right? Its all about perspective. It helps, yeah, but it's not absolutely necessary. Military pay isn't designed to be competitive it's just designed to pay you enough to feel like a normal person. An officer receives his or her functional area between the fifth and sixth years of service. Officers in the U.S. Army receive a monthly salary called basic pay, determined by the officer's current DoD paygrade. Basic pay rate for Academy Cadets/Midshipmen and ROTC members/applicants is $1,150.50. With tax benefits, health care, various commercial savings, you're looking at probably around $170,000. This starts your TIS for pay purposes (important). The Army Chemical Officer is normally a 2nd or 1st Lieutenant, and they may be responsible for: -Controlling and commanding chemical operations with units and armed forces. A functional area is a grouping of officers by technical specialty or skill, which usually requires significant education, training, and experience. Add onto that the giant retention bonuses for some communities and some of the education opportunities available as well. I mean, I make ~70K now, yet with the increased cost of living I'm actually worse off than when I was in the military. Both of these guys came out with $90k in debt. Obviously we don’t want people volunteering to commission into the military simply because of the pay, but we also don’t want potentially awesome and high performing people to avoid the military because it doesn’t appear to be competitive with the civilian market. It is designated considering individual preference, academic background, the manner of performance, training, and experience, and needs of the Army. OTHER BENEFITS On top of the many financial benefits and opportunities that you'll receive, you'll get to enhance and develop your professional qualifications, giving you transferrable skills that are recognised and respected by civilian employers. Sweet! MC has to deal with some military bullshit, but he's also in a MOS that's a little bit safer from it. Note: We are going to not compare a 4402 position to the rest of the public sector, because that's too easy of a win for the military. As far as how it compares to civilian sector pay, that depends entirely on what you'd be doing in the civilian world. Nope. I'll give you a limited example from the area I know (law), and you can extrapolate out using similar methods to what you're considering (which I assume is STEM-related): According to the latest mandated ABA reports, my school's median starting salary is $110,000. That's odd. The Engineer Basic Officer Leader Course (EBOLC), formerly known as the Engineer Officer Basic Course (EOBC), is a training course for new commissioned officers selected for the United States Army Corps of Engineers.It is run at the U.S. Army Engineer School in Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, United States and lasts nineteen weeks and four days. The numbers listed in the first charts are monthly base pay; base allowance for housing/subsistence will add more (calculated depending on where you live). When an officer is deployed to a certain region to complete a mission, she receives an additional $150 per month, regardless of rank. You get 50% of your bonus up front and the rest is paid over your entire enlistment. /u/sHORTYWZ is right... entry level is great, but there are probably better opportunities pay-wise once you hit the 8-10 year or so mark. If you really want to make money in the service then go the officer route or sign up for a special program that pays if you pass the course. It really depends on what your job is outside of the Navy. for a kid fresh out of highschool with no "hookup" into a good job, its pretty decent pay, if you live out in town you obviously dont have to use ur full BAH either, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. These are monthly pay rates and they are the latest rates available as of 2017 unless stated otherwise. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. By U.S. Army Digital Media Division September 19, 2018. That being said, it is a fuckton of stress and time away from home (both in port and at sea), and for more reasons than I can describe it is difficult to compare to a "normal" job outside of the Navy. There are other modifying factors that depend on what you do, like flight pay. Once BAH and other allowances are factored in, it's decent for entry level, but starts to diverge at the mid ranks. You'll now return to school and do normal student things for 2 more years. Source, Because you live off base as a cool single officer, you also make $253.63 in BAS! Do you have what it takes? Don't start spending money on things you don't really need to spend money on and you can do just fine. My daughter is an active duty Army Captain. Yeah everyone in this thread seems to just be forgetting how little you make after you pay off all your expenses. It requires a certain character, a certain type of psychological structure to fill in the shoes of someone in the military. Do NOT choose the military life, or officer over enlisted, solely for the paycheck/benefits. NOTES: 1. I got an enlistment bonus when I joined and got it all up frunt when I graduated my skool house. Fuck the government, Imma make my money! 5 years ago. Army officer pay is in line with other graduate jobs. MC can show a lower basic income and qualify for income-based repayment that will have a lower monthly minimum payments. Special Forces Officers are team leaders and planners. With a family to provide for that pay evaporates rather quickly. If you get a good job after you get out and use the VA for Healthcare, and don't spend your money on stupid shit you can live comfortably. See Department of Defense Financial Management Regulation for more detailed explanation on who is eligible for this special basic pay … Either way, military pay is outstanding. A Re-enlistment bonus isn't paid straight cash money. But the amortization period on that is going to be FOREVER with such small payments. COL (E) Aircrew at AS 29 519.74189,705 RADM MAJGENAVM LL5-2 714.35260,738 RADM MAJGENAVM ML 4 818.94298,914 Tier 1/2 (GSO 8) … MC has just finished Naval Justice School and pinned on Captain (O-3). Stateside? Look it up in the Web yourself, search enlisted pay vs officer pay. Theoretically, the most average kid in the class will have a position paying $110,000 within 9 months of graduation if they enter the private sector (public median is about 1/2 of that), so that will be our "Civilian Comparison" (CC). CC has to pay $390/month for the family plan so his kids can see a doctor. BOOOO!! MC is riding that sweet Tricare train. Navy Army $ pa RAAF Point 123Rank 1 73,988 78,499 83,700 88,208 93,236 98,869 104, 110,643521 116,765 ... Aviation Pay Structure Legal Officers Medical Officers Class Level $ pa $/day Navy Army RAAF Level $ pa $/day Navy Army RAAF Level $ pa $/day 4. 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