Back to top. With the higher velocity of the bullets fired from the Fireball it has a flatter trajectory curve. The more you shoot at the long distances we're talking about the better your results. when loaded with the 55-gr. Personally, I’m a fan of 223 for coyotes out in Alberta because I see a lot of mid-range shots around 300 yards. These were all witnessed by friends. That's getting way out there and I'd rather be a bit closer, but for sure you can do up to 250 on most small game. So the reality is knowing your gun, your ability and some luck all always all play into hitting at distance. By the way, as a result of the 17hmr and the 204 I now enjoy the 22 rimfires and the .223 more than I did before. But if you really want a 17 and want to kill coyote consistently I would stick with the 17 Fireball or 17 Rem. Next Last. Match shooters who use 223 change barrels over at around 5000 rounds, but those barrels probably have a ton of life still left in them and may be able to stretch out to 10,000. Velocity about the same. The result was a small case with relatively little noise capable of high velocity. Go. It is interesting that the 17's were not as effected by wind as one would think during these shoots. I got a friend that is a coyote hunting machine and he swears by the 204. That's getting way out there and I'd rather be a bit closer, but for sure you can do up to 250 on most small game. They offer a different experience. Alan mentioned a range of 125, but I think that is way too conservative an estimate. The hmr is very … This was an inevitable comparison after doing my 17HMR vs 22WMR article. Thread starter Canhunter35; Start date Mar 14, 2018; Tags 17 hmr 17 hornet 204 ruger Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . You might find this odd, but this is the primary reason I don’t use a .223 for gophers. Heck find a used Stevens 200 or a old savage .223 and order a barrel already chambered by shilen. Same C.O.L. One of my favorites is the.222 Remington (not the magnum version but the original). So I opt for the quieter 17 HMR or a 22LR. They’re followed by the .204 Ruger and the .220 Swift. I use 6mm Remington. Top #2747822 - 11/24/14 12:43 PM Re: ok 17, or 22 hornet or 223 … I'd say the range is something like 250 or so yards on the 17 hornet for small game. quack Scout . A 223 Remington will send a 40 grain bullet screaming downrange at a blistering 3600 fps. Fueled with Superformance propellent, the 17 Hornet Superformance Varmint is economically priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 gr 223 load, but is a pleasure to shoot with the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. huntfishtrap ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Join Date: Jun 2009; Posts: 2506; Share Tweet #7. On the flipside, I love my 17HMR for high volume gopher shooting because the noise is quite a bit less and it’s easier to carry more rounds in my pocket. Quieter doesn't enter into the question at all. Thanks for info. 22-250 vs 223 vs 204 Ruger vs 220 Swift: Ammunition Selection. Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. Many times it would take several shots and walk it in for the hit. The 17 or 22 rimfires are about the minimum for coyote-sized varmints, but there is a lot of room between the 17 HMR and the 17 Rem, and lots of good bullets. Similar to the 10mm vs .45 ACP debate, the .223 Remington has more energy remaining at 200 yards than many .22 Hornet loads have at the muzzle. As for other options one of the bigger.22 centerfire cartridges (bigger than the Hornet) would be a good choice. I've coyote hunt with a nice Howa 243. For target shooting, I could go for either, but the 223 definitely works better in the 200-400 yard range whereas the 17 HMR and 22 WMR get tossed around with wind and drop quite a bit more at those ranges. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. Oct 10, 2012 #2 Hunter2678 Well-Known Member. The 17 Hornet is an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge with way more “reach” than a 17 HRM or 22 WMR. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. Heck, I've taken a coyote at a range-findered 200 yards (the one below) and it only managed to move 10 or 15 yards before expiring. If you’re looking for yet more speed, check out the 204 Ruger as it sends a 40 grain bullet out at 3900 fps. Yes, the .223 Remington is clearly a more powerful cartridge than the .22 Hornet. Note, that because sound pressure is measured in a logarithmic scale, noise power is double for every 3 dB. There’s really no clear cut winner here, but instead the right cartridge for the job. There’s also the noise that you cause for other people. Perhaps on small game, .17 would leave meat more intact than .223? The Hornet is a Hornady or nobody proposition and won't be everywhere. The parent calibre is difficult to reload, and has been outclassed and overtaken by the .222/.223 cartridges but still hangs on in a niche of it’s own. Replies (4) Options Top. I've killed them at 500 and beyond with a 223 but my hits per rounds fired drops as I begin to reach out beyond 400 particularly in the wind. Additionally, the Hornet carries 130 more foot-pounds of energy at 200 yards than the .22 Mag. 17 Hornet — Trajectory Comparison That means 17 HMR and 22 WMR are around twice the sound power compared with 22LR, and 223 is 3 times louder than 17HMR/22WMR. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. How far do you intend to shoot? The cartridge was created by simply necking-down the .22 Hornet to .17 caliber. Neighbors probably won’t complain about 22’s or 17HMR/22WMR, but 223 is pretty decently loud. 17 Hornet Ammo Fmj And 17 Vs 223 Ammo Best Prices 2018 Ads, Deals and Sales. You currently have javascript disabled. If I was shooting gophers on an enormous tract of land with no one around for miles, I might consider using the 223 to stretch out possible shots. That would help us make suggestions. driving a 55gn bullet at 3200fps sighted-in 50mm high at 100 metres for a 200 metre zero, shows 25mm more drop at 250 than the .17 Hornet but retains 565 ft/lb of energy which gives it over twice as much hitting power as the .17 Hornet at that distance. Take a look at the chart below. So a .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 250 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .22 Hornet round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 710 pounds over the same one foot distance. Ackley in the early 1950s. The sister magnum rimfires are around $0.40/round, while basic 223 ammo is about the same cost and it can be reloaded for quite a bit less. Hornady produces two rounds; a 20g V-Max or polymer tipped bullet and a 15.5g NTX bullet. Love that little Hornet round - it really does a number on smaller game and all while being relatively quiet and without any muzzle jump. There’s a reason all 3 of these cartridges are on the shelf, and I think that you need to choose the one that fits your purpose. 07-05-2017, 12:48 AM. You can see that the 17 Hornet’s trajectory (blue line) is almost an identical match for the larger .223 Rem (red line) all the way out to 400 yards or so. Yes, you can kill out to twice that, but hitting prairie dogs at 200 yards is a hit or miss (excuse the pun) situation. It will likely require more frequent cleaning. I'm shooting the 17WSM (20r.) This post was edited on 8/10 at 10:00 am. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube, © Remington bdl, or a CZ. I find the challenge of the 17's to be something I enjoy. The fields I shoot on belong to land owners and I don’t want to piss them off with loud gunfire. I was able to make 200 yard shots with my 22Hornet on prairie dogs fairly easily, some a little further with 40 grain v-max. A 17 HMR will send a bullet that’s half that weight (20 grains) at 2350. Picked up the 204 a few weeks ago to use specifically for coyotes and so far it is working great on them. For 223, I’d use earplugs inserted all the way. or less the other set for 1,000. The 17 Hornet uses about half the weight of powder than the Fireball so the Hornet has a higher ft/sec per grain of powder ratio. On a coyote with a 6″ vitals area, Maximum Point Blank Range or MPBR for short, is handy to compare how flat they … Several functions may not work. as the 22 Hornet (uses the existing action). These were all witnessed by friends. So I'm not concerned about using it on larger varmints. The 17 Hornet is 700 fps faster so should work farther. The 17 Hornet is 700 fps faster so should work farther. .223 Remington It’s no secret that the .223 is among our most popular cartridges for a number of different reasons, and among those reasons sits the coyote. I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. No matter, 125 yards is about all you can expect out of them. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. I'd agree on that range for the 17hmr, but with the 17 hornet I've taken rock chucks (marmots) out close to 300 with it and I almost never get crawl-offs. Joined May 2, 2012 Messages 621 Location Ohio. Even in a full-value, 10-m.p.h. _____ "Seperation is in the preparation.....Go Hawks" Russell Wilson Top #2449862 - 02/28/13 06:55 PM Re: 17 Hornet vs. 22 Hornet … 17 hornet vs 204 ruger. Consistently ranking among the Top 5 or Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in the United States each year, the .223 Remington is by far the most popular of the group. It's usually a pretty hard hit even then. No one can dispute that the .223 is a far more powerful round but as said above .223 vs .22 hornet is apples vs oranges.Variety is the spice of life and both calibers have a pride of place in my gun cabinet in the form of a Browning X-BOLT IN .223 and my CZ527 Hornet. I haven’t fired nearly enough rounds through my 17 HMR to kill the accuracy in the barrel and from my reading, it’ll take a while: about 15,000 rounds to start seeing accuracy dip in a 17HMR or 22WMR. at 300 yards and can hit with regularity. #2747663 - 11/24/14 04:22 AM Re: ok 17, or 22 hornet or 223 [Re: scoremaster] Leadbelly Die Hard Member Registered: 06/08/13 Posts: 652 Loc: Possum squat ky I would try to find a used or new .17 Remington. I would pull the trigger on a fox if armed with a standard .22 Hornet in SP, but am not sure about the .17 Hornet loaded with V-Max. They are both fantastic shooters, easily doing sub-moa groups with factory Hornady ammo. The .17 Hornet has virtually no recoil, and is plenty accurate enough for head shots. Reply. I'd say the range is something like 250 or so yards on the 17 hornet for small game. 500 yards is a long shot with a 223, not so much for 204 with heavy bullets. Agree totally with you Red. The .223 is marginal for coyotes, and it packs more punch than the .17s. Comment. You should be able to find something you really like. If there ever was a cult classic varmint cartridge it's the .22 Hornet, a cartridge that can trace its factory roots back to the 1930s. I'd agree on that range for the 17hmr, but with the 17 hornet I've taken rock chucks (marmots) out close to 300 with it and I almost never get crawl-offs. But its functionality is also quite more similar to AR – 15, and except for .17 caliber, it can fire .223 … We had an event this past Saturday and I took out my Armalite A2 in 416 Barret and if you really want to reach out I vote for it at $9.00 overtime you pull the trigger.....LOL. ETC: Is there anything that .17 WSM is better suited for than 223/5.56. Heck, I've taken a coyote at a range-findered 200 yards (the one below) and it only managed to move 10 or 15 yards before expiring. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. But, when 39-40 grain bullets are used, the 204 will reach way out there. Others may disagree. I've never owned a 223, but I've owned and shot several Hornets, including a .17 and a .22 Ackley improved. Sean, I hunted with a guy who took a prairie dog at 1000 yards with a 223. December 26, 2015, 05:28 PM #4: chris in va. Senior Member . The taper of the case is different and the shoulder is 25 degrees necked down to the .17 bullet. The group we shot with included Walt Berger and other big names in shooting. The relatively new .17 Hornet filled the void perfectly for me. I only used it on one shoot with a 100 yard zero and some hold over so I have minimal experience with it in the pd towns. 17 HMR-Alexander Arms: The Alexander Arms .17 HMR is an advanced rifle with a very interesting design, great abilities, and features. #2449084 - 02/27/13 10:30 PM Re: 17 Hornet vs. 22 Hornet [Re: WeaselCircus] 1coyoteslayer Seasoned Member Registered: 07/29/09 Posts: 428 Loc: The wet side of WA I dont have any experiance with either but you should be able to find some ballistic charts online. It's usually a pretty hard hit even then. That said, the energy each bullet has when they get there is quite different. V-Max, and the.17 Hornet has a mild report and nil recoil, too. So the 223 Remington really stretches out far, but the 22WMR and 17HMR are no slouches either. When the V-Max .22 Mag load is zeroed at 100 yards it drops almost that same amount at just 200 yards. I've got CZ 527s in both 17 Hornet and 204 in the heavier Varmint versions. It doesn't heat up quite as fast as a 204. A 17 Hornady Hornet will be my next toy and I expect it will do a good job on coyotes and a better one on prairie dogs. Last fall, my dad brought his new Savage M25 to Afognak, and after taking a few foxes with it, I knew I had to have one. I want something a little different. Depending on which study you go off, barrel length, and that kind of thing, 17hmr and 22wmr are around 4 dB louder than 22LR and 223 is about 10 dB louder than 17HMR/22WMR. I have the .17 Hornet and a .223. Having owned the 17 hmr Id rather shoot the 17 hornet. Personally, I find that if I’m on a busy gopher field, I’ll use low NRR earplugs (or high NRR ones just barely inserted) when shooting 17HMR. Although it shares the name and pays homage to it, the .17 Hornet is a very different thing from the .22 Hornet. FNG's will shy away from that. Recently got two Sakos, one in 222 the other in 222Mag and will be working on having a good time with both. 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